Rudy Pevenage was Sport Director when Jan Ullrich drove away from everyone at the Tour de France 25 years ago. To this day they are friends. A conversation about doping, pressure and depression.

Whoever enters Rudy Pevenage’s garden in Geraadsbergen, Belgium, meets him twice: There is the Pevenage of the present, a short 68-year-old man who runs a bar that he calls “Rudy’s Lounge”, located between the swimming pool and the koi pond , open from Thursday to Sunday.